anyone wanna join our conversation this week?

14 Comments

1. Erin — August 12, 2007 #

   I’m sorry about your teeth. That really does suck - I hate hate HATE having anyone poke around in my mouth - but at least it’s not pancreatitis

   As for your question about salvation, I’ll have to think on it and see if I have anything interesting to say. It’s a good question, just not sure if I feel qualified to weigh in.

2. Jonathan Brink — August 12, 2007 #

   Rob Bell broke down a similar conversation on the nature of salvation. It contained, I think something close to 29 references to the nature of salvation. It really tweaked a lot of people. You can find it here:

   http://ryanimel.com/50/isnt-beautiful-appendix/

   Click on the Isn’t She Beautiful Notes

   The session begins on Page 28.

3. Mak — August 12, 2007 #

   Thank you Jonathan, I used a lot of that for our conversation today.

   Erin - what do you mean not qualified? silly girl, we’re all qualified.

4. Erin — August 12, 2007 #

   I thought you’d say something like that…

5. Mak — August 12, 2007 #

   hehe…well, David and *I* certainly aren’t “qualified” in any official sense to do much of anything….but we do anyway We had some great thoughts today come from some of our youngest and least educated folks

6. Stephen — August 13, 2007 #

   Hi Makeesha,

   I’ve been a lurker here for a few weeks. I bought a Cobalt Season album and Ryan asked me if I knew you. (I live in Arvada, just outside of Denver) I did the reasonable thing and googled your name and found your blog.

   Anyways, I thought this would be a great opportunity to introduce myself and hop into the mix. I’d love to join Revolution’s conversation.

   Oh, and I’m sorry to hear about your teeth. Been there.

   peace,
   steve

7. Mak — August 14, 2007 #

   thanks for stopping by Stephen of course, if you google my name, you’ll find me saying all sorts of nonsense

   good to meet you. Do you have a faith community there in Arvada?

8. Stephen — August 14, 2007 #

   Hey Mak, can I call you Mak?

   I shepherd a house church I like to call, The Experiment. We are 6 months old. We got together after a church cut funding to a “young adult, young families” ministry. But that’s a long story.

   I noticed on the Revolution website that you were starting to make the shift from Church to Missional Community. I share that struggle with you. The word “church” can have so much baggage that it can be a wall that some people can never get over. I’ll be praying for the transition and that embracing “missional community” will open doors that wouldn’t otherwise be open.

   cheers.

9. Mak — August 14, 2007 #

   thank you Stephen - yep, you can call me mak hehe.

   That’s cool about your group. We started as the “young adult/college student” ministry at a charismatic “church as usual” church … but we left cuz they thought we were becoming heretics LOL.

   thank you for the prayers…Revolution’s been around on it’s own for only a few months and we often call it the grand experiment on open and uncharted waters.

10. Mak — August 14, 2007 #

    oh hey, by the way Stephen - we have pub philosophy gatherings twice a month on Saturdays at 4pm at the Crown Pub (theundercroft.com), you and your group should come some time and stay for dinner after…then maybe we can come down to Arvada and hang with you all

11. Stephen — August 14, 2007 #

    Mak,

    Thanks for the invitation. I think that sort of thing would be right up the alley for many of us. (many out of 15, mind you) I’m guessing I can find info about it on Revolution’s site? I’ll take a look there and pass the info on to my peeps.

    cheers

    by the way. http://experimentsinecclesia.wordpress.com is where I blog “church” stuff.

12. Mak — August 14, 2007 #

    thanks for the info on your community stephen - we have fewer people than you so if “many” of your folks came, you might just out number us.

    yeah, theundercroft.com is the site for the pub philosophy gathering and thenakedchurch.net is the site for revolution

13. ron — August 16, 2007 #

    Hi Makeesha, I tried to submit comments over on the other space…but they were closed. So here I am.
    Who’s saved, who’s in who’s out…what do have to do to get in. Ahh, the confusion of the evangelical church’s sales pitch for evangelism. I’ve always found it interesting that in Jesus’ 3yr missional journey with his friends that he never gave them a check list as to who will get to board the bus for the mass exit to heaven at the end of time. Maybe the reason Jesus gave what seemed like different answers was beacuse the question to him wasn’t really that important. The problem with modernity, and christianity is we’ve made the ” Truth ” an answer, and once you’ve answered it right…your in, with bus pass in hand. The evangelical would tell you your saved. If it was just an answer, the disciples never really got it.
    When I breathe in the gospel stories my imagination runs wild, I sense in Jesus…we see the redemptive imagination of God. We see that ” being saved ” is like you noted in the eastern orthodox tradition a process of saved and being saved. It is more about radical faith in Jesus…and a surrender and sacrifice to enter into the journey as the disciples did. In this wild missional journey we discover like the parable, ” the Kingdom, and it is so precious we’ll sell everything to keep it.” The Kingdom becomes all that matters…and we find the Kingdom among the poor, the oppressed, the homeless, the unloved.
    I love in Galatians, when Paul says, ” I know longer live, I have died…it is now Jesus that lives my life.” I think in the radical pursuit of following Jesus, we arrive at that place.
    There is one eye opening moment in the gospels…omn the cross in Christs dying moments, the thief beside him asks, ” Will you remember me in your Kingdom.”
    And what does Jesus say?… ” I assure you, today you will be with me in paradise.”

    In Jesus we discover ” saved ” is something infinitely more gracious than our human minds can imagine.

14. Mak — August 16, 2007 #

    good stuff Ron thanks! sorry about the closed comments over at Revolution, I forgot to open that one up. I’m going to paste your comment over there so everyone can see it